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Justice in the USA – some lessons for Australia

Our Talking Innovative Justice podcast goes to New York, where CIJ Director Rob Hulls interviews social justice advocate and former Rikers Island Prison inmate Kathy Morse, and Vincent Schiraldi from Colombia University, about lessons Australia could learn from the American experience of mass incarceration.


Vinny Schiraldi, Senior Research Scientist, Columbia School of Social Work

Kathy Morse – social justice advocate, co-founder of the Close Rosie’s campaign and former inmate Rikers Island Prison, New York

Rob Hulls, Director, Centre for Innovative Justice

This podcast took place on the RMIT Juris Doctor 2019 Innovative Justice New York Study Tour. The CIJ would like to thank New York’s Center for Court Innovation for hosting us.

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